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Cargo System/Packages

Post by joefremont » Thu Aug 01, 2019 8:05 pm

I think I have the cargo system ready to go live. I have deployed to the main website and am building a new client that will be ready within an hour of this post.

Sam (Cat), one of our members has very generously created a great video to show how to use the cargo system which more that a few people have found very helpful, you can find it here. https://youtu.be/BunRxuDs0RE

Sam has made another great video for ground package handing that I think you will find very helpful, including topics like delivering and releasing packages, you can find it here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=59Qp0i1 ... e=youtu.be


The Basics:

The new cargo system is centered around the idea of 'Packages', Packages are containers of various sizes that need to be delivered to a specific airport. You can claim a package by loading it into an aircraft, once claimed you are responsible for delivering to its destination. Once claimed you have four days to deliver a package before the payment begins to decrease. It will continue to decrease until the end of two weeks (the amount of payment can go negative). At the end of two weeks if the package is not delivered the airline is charged an amount equal to what they would have earned had it been delivered on time.

There are ‘priority packages’, with these the payment is twice as much as normal packages but you have half the time to deliver them.

You can load packages onto an aircraft up to the cargo capacity of the aircraft but the system will reserve enough cargo space so that a full load of passengers can be carried with there baggage.

You do not have to deliver a package in a single flight, after flying it to a different destination, you can transfer the package to another aircraft, or to a warehouse, or continue to another destination. Once the package arrives at its destination all the flights that helped get it there will receive a share of the payment based on the distance they carried it. (Example if a package would pay 1000 v$ and the first of two flights carried it 1000nm and the second flight carried it 3000nm the first flight would be payed 250 v$ and the second 750 v$).

The sizes of the different packages, and the types of aircraft that can carry them.

40 kg
- Distance Range: 100-500 nm
- Carried by any aircraft than carry it. Aircraft with a payload capacity of less than 40kg are assumed to not be able to carry commercial cargo.

200 kg
- Distance Range: 300-4,000 nm
- Carried by any aircraft that can carry at least 400 kg of cargo.

2000 kg
- Distance Range: 500-12,000 nm
- Dedicated cargo aircraft and wide body jets that can carry at least 4000 kg of cargo.

20,000 kg
- Distance Range: 1,000-12,000 nm
- Carried by specialized cargo aircraft that have either nose or tail doors than can carry at least 20,000 kg of cargo. These include the 747F, L-100(C-130), IL-76, etc.

100,000 kg
- Distance Range: 2,000-12,000 nm
- Special very large cargo aircraft that are limited to the AN-124 and AN-225. These package are here really as a bonus to those who operate the large Antonov's. I have not included the 747F here, because there are too many of them around. These packages represent those rare large bulky items that you really need specialized aircraft to transport.

Warehouses:

Airlines can now establish warehouses at airports where they can store packages. Maintenance centers will have small warehouses added to them so they can store a limited amount of cargo.

Things you can do

Load them into an aircraft:

A pilot at an airport may load packages into an idle aircraft if they have permission to fly that aircraft. If an aircraft is booked only the pilot who has booked that aircraft can move cargo on or off it.

Transfer it to a warehouse:

A pilot at an airport can transfer packages to a warehouse if they have permission to fly aircraft of that fleet.

Deliver packages:

If a package is close to its destination you can deliver it using ground transportation. You have to be within 100nm of the destination and the cost of doing so is 1% of the value of the package for each nm travelled.

Release packages:

It may turn out packages have been selected that you don’t really want or are unable to deliver. If the package is still at is starting point you may release the package within for days of claiming it. If released within the first 2 hours there is no penalty, but after that you will pay a penalty that will increase until four days when the penalty is the same as the package payment.

Where to do it:

Book Flight -> Select Packages

After booking a flight from the briefing document there is a ‘Select Packages’ option on the right side options menu. This screen shows available packages at the departure airport whose destination airport is close to the destination airport of your flight. This is a simplified page intended for pilots about to go on a flight.

VA -> Packages

This page is a more advanced page for maintaining packages at an airport.

At the top you can select the airport you want to manage,
Then you select the action you want to do, choose an aircraft or warehouse you want to load, release or deliver packages.
Below that you can select packages in aircraft or warehouses or available packages that are not yet claimed.If you have booked a flight only packages going to you destination are shown but you can search for packages going to any destination from the airport,

DB- >Packages

This is a search tool that allows you to search by size, location or destination and distance from them. So if your AN-124 needs a 100,000 kg package to transport, you can find it here,

Known Issues:

When the client shows the income at the end of the flight, the totals do not include income from package delivery.
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Re: Cargo System/Packages

Post by joefremont » Fri Aug 02, 2019 5:30 pm

Generic Cargo

As part of the new cargo system we have revised the formula for generic cargo so that its more closely tied to the standard ticket price. In general comparing the new cargo formula to the base ticket price, for 1 kg its about 150% of standard, 1000kg is equal and then limits down to 50% as the payload increases. On doing my research I read that typically 30-40 tons of air freight generates the same revenue as 15-20 economy seats so do the math and that means cargo gets 50% the revenue of passengers.

Here is a comparison of the passenger, new and old cargo formulas. The cargo rates listed are for 100 kg of cargo so its easier to compare.

Payload 100 kg
Distance:200 nm Ticket:83.0 Old Rate: 259.0 New rate: 116.0
Distance:500 nm Ticket:109.0 Old Rate: 479.0 New rate: 153.0
Distance:1000 nm Ticket:149.0 Old Rate: 581.0 New rate: 209.0
Distance:2000 nm Ticket:232.0 Old Rate: 678.0 New rate: 326.0
Distance:4000 nm Ticket:414.0 Old Rate: 867.0 New rate: 583.0
Distance:6000 nm Ticket:634.0 Old Rate: 1201.0 New rate: 893.0
Distance:8000 nm Ticket:914.0 Old Rate: 1584.0 New rate: 1287.0

Payload 500 kg
Distance:200 nm Ticket:83.0 Old Rate: 247.4 New rate: 96.8
Distance:500 nm Ticket:109.0 Old Rate: 458.4 New rate: 127.0
Distance:1000 nm Ticket:149.0 Old Rate: 556.0 New rate: 173.8
Distance:2000 nm Ticket:232.0 Old Rate: 648.0 New rate: 270.6
Distance:4000 nm Ticket:414.0 Old Rate: 829.0 New rate: 483.0
Distance:6000 nm Ticket:634.0 Old Rate: 1148.6 New rate: 739.6
Distance:8000 nm Ticket:914.0 Old Rate: 1514.4 New rate: 1066.2

Payload 1000 kg
Distance:200 nm Ticket:83.0 Old Rate: 234.0 New rate: 83.0
Distance:500 nm Ticket:109.0 Old Rate: 433.5 New rate: 109.0
Distance:1000 nm Ticket:149.0 Old Rate: 525.9 New rate: 149.0
Distance:2000 nm Ticket:232.0 Old Rate: 612.8 New rate: 232.0
Distance:4000 nm Ticket:414.0 Old Rate: 783.9 New rate: 414.0
Distance:6000 nm Ticket:634.0 Old Rate: 1086.2 New rate: 634.0
Distance:8000 nm Ticket:914.0 Old Rate: 1432.1 New rate: 914.0

Payload 2000 kg
Distance:200 nm Ticket:83.0 Old Rate: 209.9 New rate: 69.15
Distance:500 nm Ticket:109.0 Old Rate: 388.75 New rate: 90.8
Distance:1000 nm Ticket:149.0 Old Rate: 471.55 New rate: 124.15
Distance:2000 nm Ticket:232.0 Old Rate: 549.5 New rate: 193.3
Distance:4000 nm Ticket:414.0 Old Rate: 702.9 New rate: 345.0
Distance:6000 nm Ticket:634.0 Old Rate: 974.0 New rate: 528.3
Distance:8000 nm Ticket:914.0 Old Rate: 1284.15 New rate: 761.65

Payload 5000 kg
Distance:200 nm Ticket:83.0 Old Rate: 155.0 New rate: 55.32
Distance:500 nm Ticket:109.0 Old Rate: 287.06 New rate: 72.66
Distance:1000 nm Ticket:149.0 Old Rate: 348.22 New rate: 99.32
Distance:2000 nm Ticket:232.0 Old Rate: 405.8 New rate: 154.66
Distance:4000 nm Ticket:414.0 Old Rate: 519.08 New rate: 275.98
Distance:6000 nm Ticket:634.0 Old Rate: 719.24 New rate: 422.66
Distance:8000 nm Ticket:914.0 Old Rate: 948.28 New rate: 609.32

Payload 10000 kg
Distance:200 nm Ticket:83.0 Old Rate: 102.62 New rate: 49.04
Distance:500 nm Ticket:109.0 Old Rate: 190.07 New rate: 64.4
Distance:1000 nm Ticket:149.0 Old Rate: 230.56 New rate: 88.04
Distance:2000 nm Ticket:232.0 Old Rate: 268.68 New rate: 137.09
Distance:4000 nm Ticket:414.0 Old Rate: 343.69 New rate: 244.63
Distance:6000 nm Ticket:634.0 Old Rate: 476.21 New rate: 374.63
Distance:8000 nm Ticket:914.0 Old Rate: 627.86 New rate: 540.09

Payload 20000 kg
Distance:200 nm Ticket:83.0 Old Rate: 64.435 New rate: 45.45
Distance:500 nm Ticket:109.0 Old Rate: 119.335 New rate: 59.69
Distance:1000 nm Ticket:149.0 Old Rate: 144.765 New rate: 81.595
Distance:2000 nm Ticket:232.0 Old Rate: 168.695 New rate: 127.045
Distance:4000 nm Ticket:414.0 Old Rate: 215.79 New rate: 226.71
Distance:6000 nm Ticket:634.0 Old Rate: 298.995 New rate: 347.19
Distance:8000 nm Ticket:914.0 Old Rate: 394.21 New rate: 500.52

Payload 50000 kg
Distance:200 nm Ticket:83.0 Old Rate: 52.564 New rate: 43.126
Distance:500 nm Ticket:109.0 Old Rate: 97.35 New rate: 56.636
Distance:1000 nm Ticket:149.0 Old Rate: 118.092 New rate: 77.42
Distance:2000 nm Ticket:232.0 Old Rate: 137.616 New rate: 120.548
Distance:4000 nm Ticket:414.0 Old Rate: 176.032 New rate: 215.116
Distance:6000 nm Ticket:634.0 Old Rate: 243.91 New rate: 329.43
Distance:8000 nm Ticket:914.0 Old Rate: 321.58 New rate: 474.92

Payload 100000 kg
Distance:200 nm Ticket:83.0 Old Rate: 52.398 New rate: 42.321
Distance:500 nm Ticket:109.0 Old Rate: 97.045 New rate: 55.579
Distance:1000 nm Ticket:149.0 Old Rate: 117.721 New rate: 75.975
Distance:2000 nm Ticket:232.0 Old Rate: 137.184 New rate: 118.297
Distance:4000 nm Ticket:414.0 Old Rate: 175.478 New rate: 211.099
Distance:6000 nm Ticket:634.0 Old Rate: 243.142 New rate: 323.277
Distance:8000 nm Ticket:914.0 Old Rate: 320.567 New rate: 466.049
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Re: Cargo System/Packages

Post by yvjjflores » Sat Aug 03, 2019 3:13 am

Good job Joe.

I tried it and everything very well ...

Nice idea, however, I have noticed something:

Initial SVMI-SMG flight
Packages: 02
Weight: 882 lbs
Value: 1,068 v $.
Destination of packages. TTPP

After the stop at SVMG continue my flight to the final destination of the packages (TTPP).

The final flight report indicates the same weight of the packages but their value decreased from 1.068v$ to 931v$.

Why is the difference in the result of the transfer of the packages?

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Re: Cargo System/Packages

Post by joefremont » Sat Aug 03, 2019 5:53 am

yvjjflores wrote:
Sat Aug 03, 2019 3:13 am
Good job Joe.

I tried it and everything very well ...

Nice idea, however, I have noticed something:

Initial SVMI-SMG flight
Packages: 02
Weight: 882 lbs
Value: 1,068 v $.
Destination of packages. TTPP

After the stop at SVMG continue my flight to the final destination of the packages (TTPP).

The final flight report indicates the same weight of the packages but their value decreased from 1.068v$ to 931v$.

Why is the difference in the result of the transfer of the packages?
Since it took two flights to deliver the packages the money was divided between the two flights bases on the distance.
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Re: Cargo System/Packages

Post by CaptainPrecious » Sat Aug 03, 2019 10:34 am

Awesome idea!!

Keep up the good work!

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Re: Cargo System/Packages

Post by yvjjflores » Sat Aug 03, 2019 11:31 am

Ok, Joe.

Thanks for the clarification

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Re: Cargo System/Packages

Post by Cat » Tue Aug 13, 2019 2:22 pm

Is there any way to limit Cargo/Package operations to 1x flight time operations? Seems a bit unfair for guys to go scooping up large amounts of package cargo in big freighters then flying them 16x speed while more realistic operators slug along at normal flight times. If it' sounds like whining, then what ev forget it. The package system requires a bit more preflight work and I see it only as a fad as many gamer pilots will not want to spend the time working out schedules to get full plane loads of package freight.

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Re: Cargo System/Packages

Post by joefremont » Tue Aug 13, 2019 3:57 pm

Cat wrote:
Tue Aug 13, 2019 2:22 pm
Is there any way to limit Cargo/Package operations to 1x flight time operations? Seems a bit unfair for guys to go scooping up large amounts of package cargo in big freighters then flying them 16x speed while more realistic operators slug along at normal flight times. If it' sounds like whining, then what ev forget it. The package system requires a bit more preflight work and I see it only as a fad as many gamer pilots will not want to spend the time working out schedules to get full plane loads of package freight.
There is always seams to be a conflict between those who fly at 1x and those who fly at 16x. Many who fly at 16x simply don't have the time because of work, school or other obligations and make up for it a few hours in the evening or one day on the weekend. I try to let everyone fly the way they want to. For me I know I don't have the patience to do a long haul flight at 1x and would rather accelerate that leave the cockpit unattended.

We will have to see how it goes, if it becomes a problem put something in place.
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Post by Tower » Thu Aug 15, 2019 11:17 pm

Thank you for that good job, Joe. Since we are an exclusive cargo carrier, those performances will be welcome.
Concerning the FS speed is a good idea to remember that the company's CEO can limit the simulator flying speed, by checking the appropriate box into the route. In Wingavia, practically all routes are limited to 1x, in order to get as realism as we can.

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Post by Captain K-Man » Thu Aug 22, 2019 5:21 pm

Hey Joe,

I had a few pilots in the airline question the profitability of cargo runs with the new package system. I see their point. It feels like with the cargo package system, cargo now crushes PAX profits and it makes people lean toward the cargo planes now rather than flying people. A 1000nm journey with PAX yields 500-800k while a cargo run is popping out 10-15 million if the cargo run is to a demanding airport. That's a huge profit gap. I don't think the multiplier needs to change from 25x but do you think maybe the overall cargo price per package needs balancing? I have tried to do research on which is more profitable in real life and it does look like cargo, in this day and age of e-commerce, has the advantage but its not that huge. What were your thoughts when you were setting up the package values in the database? I personally love seeing a 25million profit run from KLAX to WSSS as the CEO but the same flight with an international PAX aircraft would only yield about 6-9 million. Thoughts?

Basically, if a VA wanted to dominate on the charts in profits and cargo moved they would never buy a single regional or PAX jet. They would just load their fleets up with nothing but cargo planes and wreck shop in profits vs. a passenger airline. My more profit minded pilots are now fighting over the limited number of cargo airframes we have in the fleets. They've already asked me to buy more 763F/752F's because of how much money can be made with these planes. I think they like those huge personal paychecks too. A good cargo pilot can add 150k to their pilot's bank account off one flight.

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Re: Cargo System/Packages

Post by joefremont » Thu Aug 22, 2019 9:45 pm

Captain K-Man wrote:
Thu Aug 22, 2019 5:21 pm
Hey Joe,

I had a few pilots in the airline question the profitability of cargo runs with the new package system. I see their point. It feels like with the cargo package system, cargo now crushes PAX profits and it makes people lean toward the cargo planes now rather than flying people. A 1000nm journey with PAX yields 500-800k while a cargo run is popping out 10-15 million if the cargo run is to a demanding airport. That's a huge profit gap. I don't think the multiplier needs to change from 25x but do you think maybe the overall cargo price per package needs balancing? I have tried to do research on which is more profitable in real life and it does look like cargo, in this day and age of e-commerce, has the advantage but its not that huge. What were your thoughts when you were setting up the package values in the database? I personally love seeing a 25million profit run from KLAX to WSSS as the CEO but the same flight with an international PAX aircraft would only yield about 6-9 million. Thoughts?

Basically, if a VA wanted to dominate on the charts in profits and cargo moved they would never buy a single regional or PAX jet. They would just load their fleets up with nothing but cargo planes and wreck shop in profits vs. a passenger airline. My more profit minded pilots are now fighting over the limited number of cargo airframes we have in the fleets. They've already asked me to buy more 763F/752F's because of how much money can be made with these planes. I think they like those huge personal paychecks too. A good cargo pilot can add 150k to their pilot's bank account off one flight.
Good points, I went back and forth on this quite a bit. My initial design was to make a package with about the same as a business class revenue per kg, and was wondering it it would be worth ppls time, I would have hated to spent all that time building it only to not have anyone want to use it, especially if you have to collect from multiple cities to fill the planes, so I doubled the value of the packages to give everyone an incentive to use it. We can always adjust things in the future if necessary.
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Post by Tower » Mon Sep 09, 2019 11:00 pm

A suggestion: Since the "package system" is a bit complex (many options, many possibilities and a lot of combinations...), a video tutorial would be really appreciated as a big help to understand every point, specially for pilots who do not get by in English language.

Dou you think you have time enough to think about that idea?

Thanks for all.

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Post by joefremont » Tue Sep 10, 2019 12:00 am

Well, personally I don't have much time to do so, any volunteers?
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Re: Cargo System/Packages

Post by Cat » Tue Sep 10, 2019 5:52 pm

I can work on one - it will be of a "slideshow" than a video tho.

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Re: Cargo System/Packages

Post by joefremont » Tue Sep 10, 2019 6:08 pm

Cat wrote:
Tue Sep 10, 2019 5:52 pm
I can work on one - it will be of a "slideshow" than a video tho.
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