Should we ground the 737-8 Max?

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Should we ground the 737-8 Max?

Post by joefremont » Wed Mar 13, 2019 8:31 pm

The europeans have grounded the 737 max and so have many other countries, should we ground it until they its been cleared to fly again?
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Re: Should we ground the 737-8 Max?

Post by joefremont » Wed Mar 13, 2019 8:47 pm

I see the US has grounded it also.
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Re: Should we ground the 737-8 Max?

Post by joefremont » Thu Mar 14, 2019 5:37 am

It could go both ways.

On one had it is real world to ground them

On the other there are plenty of aircraft in our system that are prohibited these days (Concorde, old AC without hush kits etc)
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Re: Should we ground the 737-8 Max?

Post by joefremont » Fri Mar 15, 2019 5:48 am

So,no dissenting voices? So that means nobody will object to me grounding the fleet?
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Re: Should we ground the 737-8 Max?

Post by Matthew » Tue Jul 02, 2019 4:38 am

Yes

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Re: Should we ground the 737-8 Max?

Post by Robert Neumaier » Wed Jul 03, 2019 1:22 am

Hi,
why should we ground any aircraft ?

many pilots ( including me ) are using their FlightSim as a hobby, not like professional flights but having fun !
We are close enough to reality.
if we are about to take it that seriously, where will we end to ?

The European airlines ( like Lufthansa ) are avoiding the Syria airspace on their routes to Asia due to the possibility of being attacked.
DO WE respond also to that ?
I dont think so.

Flying here is still a simulation, so... NO GROUNDINg of the B738max .

best greetings
Robert

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Re: Should we ground the 737-8 Max?

Post by joefremont » Thu Jul 04, 2019 4:54 am

Robert I agree with you. There was not much feedback from the initial request, it took over 3 months for anybody to respond. When I first said this I expected the grounding to only be a week or two but it continues with no end in sight. Just as we allow VA's to use the Concord after it was grounded, your free to continue using the 737-Max, although I may temporally set it to 'out of production' since Boeing is not delivering any right now.
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Re: Should we ground the 737-8 Max?

Post by joefremont » Fri Nov 20, 2020 1:43 am

On November 18, 2020, the FAA announced that the MAX had been cleared to return to service, as such I have changed the Max 8 and Max 9 as being back in production.

I was reading the source of the issue with the Max is the new engines, that the Leap 1B engines are physically larger than the older CFM56-7B used in the previous 'Next Generation' aircraft. Since the original 737 was designed to be lower to the ground for smaller and rougher airports, raising the aircraft up to give the engines proper clearance would have required to much redesign in the wings and landing gear so instead boeing raised the engines up closer to the wings, making it more unstable and requiring 'software' to keep it stable in flight. The A320 being a newer design was higher from the beginning and can carry the even larger Leap 1A engine.

Boeing should have done a proper redesign of the wings and landing gear, or maybe made a smaller version of the 757, or even come up with a new design instead of trying to continuing to try to squeeze more profits out out of a 52 year old design.

I hope they have not killed the company in their quest for short term profits.
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Re: Should we ground the 737-8 Max?

Post by Cat » Fri Nov 20, 2020 4:15 am

Yeah the Airbus A320Neo debuted and caught them off guard and 9 months behind. The problem with the new engines and the modified mounting system was the CG change. The Max - now being called the "737 dash 8 & 737 dash 9" in an obvious micro thin attempt at rebranding had to have the MCAS system to make pilots think it flies like other 737's when in fact it does not. The whole sales pitch (all about money) was to assure airlines that pilots would NOT need additional simulator training and/or a new type rating. Well after all the lost billions and 356 dead souls, that didn't work out too well did it?

I used to trust Boeing with my life and now with their rotten to the core profits over safety mentality (thanks to the change in leadership when they merged with McDonnel Douglas and McDonnel Douglas execs took charge), it will be a long time before I trust them again. Especially now with their "union busting" moves of moving manufacturing from the greater Seattle area away from people who have done this for decades to S. Carolina where they can pay peanuts and force less trained workers to ignore "minor defects". :evil:
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