Supersonics and FLYNet

Post by **cmdrnmartin** » Fri Feb 03, 2006 8:09 pm

With the supersonic Transports arriving there will need to be a few changes in the client from what I can tell:

These aircraft do not have to obey the 250 knot rule, in fact it is very hard to. They are given special clearances through airspace etc.

Now pricing, they burn a lot of fuel, but ticket prices for them are a lot higher. The database/ticket calculator will need to take this into count with the TU-144 and Concorde, as well as for private (lear etc) flights. I don't think a Transatlantic flight should make more than 10 million after multiplying the net profit by 1000. In fact, 10 million seems to be a good price point. Concorde has just around 140 pax, and the Tu-144 just a bit more (but drinks more gas).

So not more than 10 million profit when all is said and done for a transatlantic flight. And the 250 knot and taxi speed rules should be ignored for these two particular aircraft.

Any other ideas, or comments on this, feel free to post!

Cheers,

Post by **Safari Air** » Fri Feb 03, 2006 8:13 pm

The taxi speed should be the same as i don't remeber concorde doing much more than this, as on the ground she's just a normal bird

Post by **cmdrnmartin** » Fri Feb 03, 2006 8:18 pm

I was reading somewhere about fast taxis, but I might have been mistaken. Am I correct on the airspeed though? I've been flying the TU-144, and on approach it's almost stalling at 180 knots, so I figue it needs to rocket trhough 10 000 ft on a climbout.

Post by **Safari Air** » Fri Feb 03, 2006 8:20 pm

It's very rare that concorde went below 250kts on climb/desent so yeah your right on that front. And concorde taxied at around 25-30kts

Ionathan · Post by **Ionathan** » Fri Feb 03, 2006 11:23 pm

The maximum allowed taxi speed (in real life) is 35 knots which leaves enough space for what we call fast taxing and yes special clearances for speeds faster than 250Kt below 10000ft is also correct. The most important parameter though in FlyNet is the ticket prices. With the current prices a concorde would be a great disaster in FlyNet. After all the real concorde ticket always costed much more than any other aircraft although the only additional feature it had to offer to the passengers was the speed.

ricchio · Post by **ricchio** » Sat Feb 04, 2006 3:04 am

There are no supersonic aircraft used in the real world, so I don't see a reason to allow any into FlyNET...

Ciao,
Aaron

Post by **cmdrnmartin** » Sat Feb 04, 2006 5:50 am

I think FLYNet operates on Aircraft that have been in revenue service, even if they arn't now. For example, the 707-320 isnt used by manu airlines, and Im not sure if anyairline uses the VC-10, but you can in FLYNet.

The A380, on the other hand, hasn't been flown in revenue service (yet) and as such is not in the database (yet).

Anyways, the TU-144 Charger and Aero/BAE Concorde are now in the database and availible for purchase.
Hopefully Konny will make a special rules exception for the SSTs.

CAPFlyer · Post by **CAPFlyer** » Sun Feb 05, 2006 1:18 am

Justin,

If you look at the flight profile for the Tu-144 and Concorde, they do (and have to) adhere to the 250 knot rule during their initial departure. That's one of the advantages for delta-winged aircraft. They can fly at 250 knots as required but still attain mutlisonic speeds.

Post by **cmdrnmartin** » Sun Feb 05, 2006 1:28 am

Can you send a link for that? I'd like to see it. I've been having a devil of a time trying to obey the 250knot ruling, it just seems so ridiculously slow for these birds. Also have been test flying the TU-144, it can hop between Ottawa and Heathrow in about 3 hours. Trying to not use the afterburners too much, as they chew through my fuel supply like crazy.

CAPFlyer · Post by **CAPFlyer** » Sun Feb 05, 2006 1:52 am

The Tu-144 I have came with a manual, as did the PM2 Concorde. Both have the flight profiles and acceleration profiles.

One thing to keep in mind with the Tu-144 is that it has a neat little acceleration gauge that shows how fast you can go for your height and the reccommended speed. Really makes it easy to fly.

The PM2 Concorde manual is here - http://www.fsfrance.com/Projets/Mach2/D ... htm#manuel

Ionathan · Post by **Ionathan** » Thu Feb 09, 2006 10:52 am

CAPFlyer wrote:The PM2 Concorde manual is here - http://www.fsfrance.com/Projets/Mach2/D ... htm#manuel

If you speak French

CAPFlyer · Post by **CAPFlyer** » Thu Feb 09, 2006 3:37 pm

Umm... It's got am English version and a French version. Just download the manual.

Post by **cmdrnmartin** » Thu Feb 09, 2006 3:43 pm

It's ok, je parle le francais. But I havnt read the manual yet either, still learning the ins and outs of the TU-144. \

BigQ · Post by **BigQ** » Thu Feb 09, 2006 4:42 pm

Want me to translate for you?

Ionathan · Post by **Ionathan** » Thu Feb 09, 2006 5:02 pm

Oh, is it an english version? It must be a fairly new addition. I will have a look.

Justin, what model of TU-144 are you using? I have found some on the web but noone promised to be a good one from appearance. I am fed up of bad models.