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Post by Wolfar100 » Wed Jan 24, 2007 4:34 am

Come on there is something wrong here can you see it over two differnt flights?



Flight Report
Pilot in Command Pilot ID Date
Muharrem Derin TKC101 Jan 23, 22:48

Flight Number Virtual Airline Max Sim-Rate Used
CT2002 CargoTurk Virtual 16x

A/C Type Registration PAX
A346 TC-ENJ 380

Departure Planned Arrival Arrival Distance Duration Block Fuel
YSSY \ 19:51 LTBA LTBA \ 20:59 8087nm 01:08 (1.1h) 6577kg

Pilot Rating Critique
100% a perfect flight

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Finances
Income from tickets: PAX ( 380 ) x Ticketprice ( 1000v$ ) 380000v$
Fuel cost: Fuel Price ( 1.21v$ ) x 1.234 x Fuel Bought ( 0kg ) -0v$
Crew & catering cost: -1900v$
Cargo income: 0.04v$/100nm x Distance ( 8087nm ) x Cargo ( 25500kg ) 91272v$
Bonus: 0v$
Pilot salary: Airline Income x Pilot salary percentage -51630v$
Gross profit: 417742v$
x Multiplier ( 300 ) 125322600v$



Flight Report
Pilot in Command Pilot ID Date
Muharrem Derin TKC101 Jan 23, 22:37

Flight Number Virtual Airline Max Sim-Rate Used
CT1001 CargoTurk Virtual 16x

A/C Type Registration PAX
A346 TC-ENJ 380

Departure Planned Arrival Arrival Distance Duration Block Fuel
LTBA \ 05:55 YSSY YSSY \ 06:54 8087nm 00:59 (1h) 8541kg

Pilot Rating Critique
100% a perfect flight

Comment
none

Finances
Income from tickets: PAX ( 380 ) x Ticketprice ( 1000v$ ) 380000v$
Fuel cost: Fuel Price ( 1.55v$ ) x 1.234 x Fuel Bought ( 0kg ) -0v$
Crew & catering cost: -1900v$
Cargo income: 0.04v$/100nm x Distance ( 8087nm ) x Cargo ( 25500kg ) 91272v$
Bonus: 0v$
Pilot salary: Airline Income x Pilot salary percentage -51630v$
Gross profit: 417742v$
x Multiplier ( 300 ) 125322600v$
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Post by joefremont » Wed Jan 24, 2007 5:05 am

Looks like someone has messed with there fuel flow scalar
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Post by Quantum » Wed Jan 24, 2007 5:48 pm

Fuel burn for the time flown may be correct. Time flown for the distance is not. Methinks some slewing afoot.
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Post by cmdrnmartin » Wed Jan 24, 2007 7:35 pm

Can you link me to those PIREPS directly in the database, I'll take a look at them.
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Post by Wolfar100 » Wed Jan 24, 2007 7:43 pm

cmdrnmartin wrote:Can you link me to those PIREPS directly in the database, I'll take a look at them.

http://flynet.en-studios.de/index.php?l ... =db&id=885

Looking more in depth there are others as well.
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Post by cmdrnmartin » Wed Jan 24, 2007 8:49 pm

Yeah that's a violation no doubt. The staff are on it, thanks for the catch guys.
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Post by Wolfar100 » Wed Jan 24, 2007 10:16 pm

cmdrnmartin wrote:Yeah that's a violation no doubt. The staff are on it, thanks for the catch guys.
Well when your the big dog on the block expect people to look and see what made you successful. :P
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Post by oge978 » Thu Jan 25, 2007 12:31 am

Hi ,

I know Mr. Derin personally and we are in contact via mail/phone/msn all the time ...

What is the problem or problems with his flights (so I can ask directly in Turkish 'cause his English is not perfect ;) )

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Post by Wolfar100 » Thu Jan 25, 2007 12:44 am

oge978 wrote:Hi ,

I know Mr. Derin personally and we are in contact via mail/phone/msn all the time ...

What is the problem or problems with his flights (so I can ask directly in Turkish 'cause his English is not perfect ;) )

Best wishes ,
Well others pointed this out. Flying 8,087 nautical miles in 1 hour is suggestive of slewing.

Departure Planned Arrival Arrival Distance Duration Block Fuel
LTBA \ 05:55 YSSY YSSY \ 06:54 8087nm 00:59 (1h) 8541kg

In this next part it would appear that the member is flying with unlimited fuel checked on. Without paying for fuel the bottom line skyrockets to the positive side.

Fuel cost: Fuel Price ( 1.21v$ ) x 1.234 x Fuel Bought ( 0kg ) -0v$

Hope that helps. I caught one member who only made one flight using unlimited fuel and he quit shortly there after. We are all in friendly competition and keeping the playing field even helps out a lot. :wink:
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Post by cmdrnmartin » Thu Jan 25, 2007 12:47 am

Fuel burn is the issue. The flight time can get messed up because of the 24 hour clock, and an intrinsic bug in Flight SIm.

Stated simply: 20,000 lbs fuel for 8000nm is cheating.
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Post by oge978 » Thu Jan 25, 2007 2:14 pm

Hi again ,

I talked to Mr. Derin just a couple mins ago and explained the complaint asked for a reply ...

He said that he did not used unlimited fuel any time but conffessed using FsNAV's "Move Aircraft To Here" function .

He explained his thoughts and wishes , somehow understandable , he wants to build the actual fleet of Turkish Airlines and simulate the whole flights of it etc.etc.

I advised him not to use that function again , explaining the friendly competion here we have .

Anyway , here are my thoughts ;

FlyNET Client disables the SLEW function but it can not disable FsNAV's this function as we learned ( maybe we can make another check , if aircraft moves fast we can take it back to its location or completely disable that flight to avoid cheating )

Also in my opinion we do not need the SimRate ability , I can understand the oceanic flights but 16x is not realistic and must not be allowed . Maybe only 2x or 4x can be allowed but not much more .

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Post by Wolfar100 » Thu Jan 25, 2007 2:32 pm

oge978 wrote:Hi again ,

I talked to Mr. Derin just a couple mins ago and explained the complaint asked for a reply ...

He said that he did not used unlimited fuel any time but conffessed using FsNAV's "Move Aircraft To Here" function .

He explained his thoughts and wishes , somehow understandable , he wants to build the actual fleet of Turkish Airlines and simulate the whole flights of it etc.etc.

I advised him not to use that function again , explaining the friendly competion here we have .

Anyway , here are my thoughts ;

FlyNET Client disables the SLEW function but it can not disable FsNAV's this function as we learned ( maybe we can make another check , if aircraft moves fast we can take it back to its location or completely disable that flight to avoid cheating )

Also in my opinion we do not need the SimRate ability , I can understand the oceanic flights but 16x is not realistic and must not be allowed . Maybe only 2x or 4x can be allowed but not much more .

Best Wishes ,
Well there already is a penalty for going over 4x's sim rate. You do not recieve a bonus for anything over 4x's. Also the biggest bonus is at 1x's and goes down from there.
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Post by CAPFlyer » Thu Jan 25, 2007 2:33 pm

Fatih -

The Sim Rate is up to the CEO of the airline. If you don't want to use Sim Rate, then just set all of your flights to "1x" limit. But I don't agree to forcing this on everyone. This is still a hobby and not everyone has time to fly 6 or more hour flights in real time.
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Post by Jon.M » Thu Jan 25, 2007 9:55 pm

Hi Guys,

To add my tuppence worth to this discussion. I wouldn't like to loose the possibility of using time compression. As I and many others have limited time to fly, our activities would be restricted without it. As has been pointed out it's use is at the discretion of the CEO and there is a loss of bonus for using it.

At Venture Hawaii we actually have relatively few flights that allow it as most of our routes are short haul apart from the flights between our different areas of operations.

As for slewing or unlimited fuel, that certainly shouldn't be allowed and personally I don't see the point. What on earth do you gain by using them.

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Post by Terror » Thu Jan 25, 2007 10:02 pm

Jon.M wrote:Hi Guys,

To add my tuppence worth to this discussion. I wouldn't like to loose the possibility of using time compression. As I and many others have limited time to fly, our activities would be restricted without it. As has been pointed out it's use is at the discretion of the CEO and there is a loss of bonus for using it.

At Venture Hawaii we actually have relatively few flights that allow it as most of our routes are short haul apart from the flights between our different areas of operations.

As for slewing or unlimited fuel, that certainly shouldn't be allowed and personally I don't see the point. What on earth do you gain by using them.

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