Use of "Callsigns"

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Use of "Callsigns"

Post by AVI DL-787 » Tue Jan 12, 2010 10:32 am

Use of "Callsigns"
FSAirlines does not permit the use of anything other than your real first and last name in the appropriate fields. If you wish to use a "Callsign" (i.e. an airline ID) then set it up as your username when you sign up. If you do not currently comply with this, you will need to request it be changed by submitting a support ticket. We must know who you are to be able to verify when we receive payments for premium accounts and to ensure users are complying with our rules against multiple accounts.
Whats up admins? Do you really considered that rule? I dont know any other service in the web who force to show the real first and last name of the members public and visible for all. Every body can google much informations of all registered members here, whats about data privacy?
We must know who you are to be able to verify when we receive payments for premium accounts and to ensure users are complying with our rules against multiple accounts.
How do you want to check whether the name a user type in is his correct real name? I can use "Donald Duck" as name, and nobody can check if its true, or i´m wrong? I have no problem the FSA Admins know my full name. Particularly with regard to the premium payments its comprehensible you have to know that user data. But why in hell every user in this system should now all real names of all pilots?

What about the solution, you show public in the airline overview only a callsign or first name and callsign, and add a additional user field for real names only the admins can see? ...or maybe hide the existing fields of first and last name for all members and add a additional field for a public shown callsign?
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Re: Use of "Callsigns"

Post by Sterretje » Tue Jan 12, 2010 3:22 pm

Totally agree.

I personally do not want the world to know who i really am.
But for the purpose given, no multiple accounts, i do understand this problem.

therefore i think there should be a field you need to fill in when you pay, with your real name. But this will only be seen by the admins of fsa.
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Re: Use of "Callsigns"

Post by DaKurt » Tue Jan 12, 2010 6:33 pm

I'll talk to the devs and admins about that problem. I understand your concerns.
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Re: Use of "Callsigns"

Post by Rabauter » Tue Jan 12, 2010 6:43 pm

Hello,

what's that. My opinion is, that my full name is nothing for the publicity. Up to now, i managed it, to avoid reading my full name in google and i don't want to change it.

I think, the proposal of AVI DL-787 is OK, but more i can't accept.

Not so kind regards

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Re: Use of "Callsigns"

Post by CAPFlyer » Wed Jan 13, 2010 1:19 am

Sorry guys, but there is no privacy issue. Just knowing your first and last name does not give any information that isn't already available to the public via other avenues. In addition, if you want to use a sensible pseudonym like "SMITH", that's fine, but people using nonsensical names and callsigns is not acceptable, especially when I've already had to delete users or censor them due to use of profanity (and not just in English) and racial slurs.

People have proven they can't be mature with the use of the network, so we needed to do something to combat it. In addition, with our payment, we need multiple avenues to ensure our rules are being complied with. This is one.

The items we're required to protect -
1) Your e-mail if you ask or we choose (we choose to not show e-mail to non-admins)
2) Your financial information (which is why we're using PayPal)
3) Your IP address (only available to admins again)
4) Your physical address (we don't even ask for it)

As such, no "private" information is revealed. Those of you who've uploaded your real pictures have done more to compromise your identity than putting 2 words on a web page.

Oh, and BTW, the way the web pages are coded, a Google Search of your name won't lead anyone to this website.
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Re: Use of "Callsigns"

Post by AVI DL-787 » Wed Jan 13, 2010 9:17 am

Oh, and BTW, the way the web pages are coded, a Google Search of your name won't lead anyone to this website.
Thats maybe right, but every registered user on FSAirlines.net can see all the real names and if i type in that names in google i got a lot of informations about this people. Dont know the conditions in your country, but in germany you got the full address and phone number if you use web phone book.
...but people using nonsensical names and callsigns is not acceptable, especially when I've already had to delete users or censor them due to use of profanity (and not just in English) and racial slurs.
Racial slurs and other abusive names are not OK, i totaly agree with you. But where is the problem if a pilot use his first name and a neutral callsign like me (Dirk AVI DL-787) ?

What do you want to accomplish with that rule? Nobody can be proof the name i enter is my correct real name so you can´t check for multiple accounts by this way. I think the result will be, a lot of pilots type in a fantasy name. A lot of forums and communitys force the real first and last name for registration, but all services i know the user can decide by himself the name will be shown public or not. Most of sites show the real (last)names only for admins, NOT FOR EVERY REGISTERED USER!

What should we do? I tell that rule and your news concerning this matter to our VA pilots and i got a clearly response from the most of our members:
If the admins demand to that rule they will leave our VA on FSAirlines.net :!:
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Re: Use of "Callsigns"

Post by CAPFlyer » Wed Jan 13, 2010 3:16 pm

Here's the problem - where do we draw the line?

We have users on here right now using all sorts of nonsensical names, a lot of them questionable. If you want to use a "fantasy" last name as you put it, again, there's protections against it, but I will go back to - what information are they going to be able to get here they can't already get elsewhere? As you said, if they look up your name, they can get your phone number and address elsewhere, but I've been on the internet with my REAL NAME for almost 15 years and have never had one person call me or send me anything because of finding me on a hobbyist website and looking me up through Google. I've also not had my name "stolen" because I have precautions to try and prevent that. But it's not fool proof, nothing is.

It's all much ado about nothing. I've still yet to see any conclusive studies that say that you're really generating additional risk by just putting your name on one or two websites or even 20 (as in my case).
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Re: Use of "Callsigns"

Post by DaKurt » Wed Jan 13, 2010 4:45 pm

I think the problem is not that pilots have to use their real names for signup (so that the admins can identify a paypal payment by the persons real name), but that the real name is currently being displayed on a lot of public pages on FSAirlines.

We will see what we can do about that, asap.
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Re: Use of "Callsigns"

Post by AVI DL-787 » Wed Jan 13, 2010 5:25 pm

I think the problem is not that pilots have to use their real names for signup (so that the admins can identify a paypal payment by the persons real name), but that the real name is currently being displayed on a lot of public pages on FSAirlines.
That is exactly what i mean! I (our pilots also) have no problem to use the real name for registration or fill it in hidden fields only admins can see. But at the moment the name fields are public for any registered user on FSAirlines.net and also are shown in the pilots signatur banner. (...what is the only reason we dont use the banner outside of FSA.)
Here's the problem - where do we draw the line?
What about that simple solution:
Change the existing field "Last Name" to "Callsign" so the pilots have to enter first name and a adequate callsign.
Add a additional field "full name" hidden exept for admins to the premium account settings so you have the information if FSA receive a payment from that user.
...thats it! :idea:

(...with that solution the problem with the full names in the pilot sigatur banners is fixed too :wink: )
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